Duke vs Darden: Which MBA?

The Ultimate MBA Program Comparison: Duke vs Darden

Admissions: what does Duke Admissions seek?
Admissions: what does Darden Admissions seek?
Application Essays, Tips & Candidate Evaluation
Admissions Stats, Demographics & Class Size
Ranking
Jobs, Pay and Employment Location
Program Focus
Culture
Facilities
Geography

Some view Duke and Darden’s MBA programs as rivals, especially because they often come up as comparable on the top MBA ranking reports.  In this Duke Fuqua versus Virginia’s Darden smackdown, we tease out the key differences between these two similarly ranked b-schools.

Here, we highlight the advice from several former Duke Fuqua and Virginia Darden Admissions Officers, who are now on our Stacy Blackman Consulting team. We also reviewed this with the Executive Directors and Admissions Officers at Duke and Darden MBA programs and incorporated their insights, perspectives and advice. Let’s take a look at some of the key differences between the Duke and Darden MBA programs.

Admissions: what does Duke Admissions seek?

We asked the former Duke Admissions Officers on our Stacy Blackman Consulting team, “What does Duke Fuqua Admissions look for?”  The consensus:  “Duke Admissions hones in on clear, concise and attainable career goals, as its team works very closely with the Career Management Center to ascertain recruitability. As well, Duke Admissions looks for how you will contribute and thrive in with the highly collaborative culture both in and out of the classroom.”

What does Fuqua not want?  “Boring is bad,” she says flatly. “You want to create an application that is compelling and will resonate with your audience. Duke’s admissions team loves interesting and/or impressive facts about applicants.”

A representative from Duke’s MBA program added, “We are looking for people who want to bring out the best in others and exhibit a high IQ +EQ+DQ (decency quotient). Dean Bill Boulding talks about the importance of DQ frequently related to business leadership.” Boulding says, “most people are less familiar with DQ, or the “decency quotient,” which he defines as truly caring for others and wanting to do right by them.”

Admissions: what does Darden Admissions seek?

We asked the former Darden Admissions Officer on our Stacy Blackman Consulting team, “What does Darden Admissions look for?” She shared, “Darden is very focused on your story and on fit with the program. Candidates need to know why a 100% case method program is the right match for them. Individuals who apply to Darden know it’s a rigorous program.”

As for what the school does not want, she notes that “Darden does a great job at calling out students who are applying for the sake of applying to a top program vs. someone who genuinely wants to attend the program.”

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Application Essays, Tips & Candidate Evaluation 

Both Darden and Duke’s application essay prompts encompass the various facets of an applicant’s background and personality. Career goals are a centerpiece of both application essays. Beyond career goals, Darden’s essay prompts reinforce its values of purpose, diversity, global citizenship, and personal interests. By contrast, Duke’s essay of ‘25 random things’ allows for a broader range of answers but the essay still demonstrates the program’s values around diversity, personality, life experiences and impact. Sample Duke essays and sample Darden essays from successful admits are instructive to applicants.

With respect to applicant interviews, both programs have a conversational interview style. Interview questions are typical for the MBA admissions process and may include questions such as:

  • Tell me about yourself/walk me through your resume
  • Why business school//why now?
  • What are 3 characteristics that every team needs?
  • Describe your leadership style. How are some of the things/activities that you’ve done demonstrated core values of leadership?
  • Was there a time when you did not were not compatible with one of your team members or colleagues? If not, how would you handle that situation?
  • Tell me a situation about when your team failed and how you handled it.
  • How have you worked in a diverse team setting?

Application materials need to show conviction for the program. “Show why Fuqua is a good fit for you and why you are a good fit for the program,” she advises. “Why are you passionate about attending Fuqua?” This advice also rings true as a success factor for MBA applicants to Darden’s program.

Admissions Stats, Demographics & Class Size

Both programs hover at similar stats, although Duke’s program is known to be ½ larger in student class size relative to Darden. This difference is not seen in the reported class of 2022 sizes at this time, which are 408 for Duke and 404 for Darden, only because the Darden total is inclusive of Darden’s first-ever January cohort an option it offered to provide flexibility to admitted students who needed additional time before being able to fully join the class due to pandemic-related closures.

Class of 2022 Admission StatsDukeDarden
Average GMAT702703
GMAT Range660-740660-750
Average GPA3.53.5
Enrolled MBA Students798733
Women MBA Students46%39%
International MBA Students*38%24%
Minority*23%16%
* Estimated, Under-Represented Minority – U.S. domestic or permanent residents students who identify as African American or Black, Hispanic American or Latinx, American Indian or Alaska Native, Native Hawaiian or Pacific Islander, and those who are multiracial or multiethnic. URM does not include Asian Americans.
*International MBA students may include dual citizens; data reporting varies.

Duke has a slight advantage with respect to slightly larger international student representation of 38% (includes dual citizens) at Duke versus 24% at Darden. That may partly be due to Darden’s case study approach to learning which requires students to consistently speak up in class discussions. Duke also has a consistent advantage with higher women and minority representation over the years, which may result in a student class with a wider array of viewpoints and perspectives.

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Ranking

Duke Fuqua and UVA Darden almost always fall in a similar ranking range, solidly within the top 15, though Darden has been gaining ground of late.

Poets & Quants 2020US News 2022US News 2021US News 2020
Virginia Darden11131112
Duke Fuqua14121210

Duke vs Darden

Jobs, Pay and Employment Location

Salary upon graduation is somewhat comparable between the programs with about $138,000 and an additional $35,000 for signing bonus

Duke’s career placement by industry has remained steady over the years except for placement into the tech industry which has risen from 19% in 2016 to 27% in 2020. Over the recent years, Darden has increased its outplacement to the consulting industry from 32% for the Class of 2019 to 41%, whereas it reduced its outplacement to finance from 23% several years ago to 19% today. Duke is a leader for healthcare industry recruiting.

Both programs show lower placement professionally into careers abroad at approximately 5-6%.

Jobs & Pay DataDukeDarden
Job offers at 3 months after commencement93%93%
Consulting Industry31%41%
Finance Industry18%19%
Tech Industry27%20%
Health Care8%2%
Northeast Location27%30%
West Coast Location25%15%
Southwest Location17%15%
South16%13%
Midatlantic7%23%
Midwest9%5%
International6%5%

Outplacement geographically varies markedly between the programs for the specific regions of West (25% for Duke and 15% for Darden) and Midatlantic (7% for Duke and 23% for Darden) as shown above.

Duke vs Darden

Program Focus

Duke Fuqua offers a number of ways to attain an MBA based on a student’s experience, needs, and stage in life. One program is the 2 year, full-time MBAprogram, and the others are executive programs.

The standard two-year, full-time program is taught in six-week terms. In all of the MBA programs, Duke Fuqua stresses a focused but flexible curriculum, offering a tailored approach to time allocation and work intensity during business school. Because Daytime MBA courses are only six weeks long, students are able to take more courses — as many as four per term. The program still offers substantial faculty hours, so Fuqua administrators say that this setup offers maximum breadth without compromising depth. Courses are created based on research and business trends to offer the most relevant, up-to-date curricula.

At Duke, a curriculum overhaul began in 2020, to create the foundation of three themes defined by Duke’s Dean Boulding as vital to innovation: leading technology transformation, entrepreneurial mindset and action, and creating common purpose in a world of differences. The rest of the year offers the opportunity for electives; this flexibility continues into the second year, when students can customize their education based on their career goals. Noteworthy classes include the Global Academic Travel Experience (GATE) series, which offers students an opportunity to study about a location and then visit as a class to travel through the region. Classes have included study in Southeast Asia, China, South America, Southern Africa, and India.

Two MBA programs are offered at Darden: the traditional and the executive MBA. Both are two-year programs, but the executive track has a leadership development program integrated into the curriculum.

Darden offers a more structured first year through the core curriculum and then in the spring of the first year and throughout the second year, Darden students are able to customize their experience through electives, global opportunities and experiential learning. Darden’s heavy emphasis on the case method (100% case method) entails teamwork and work intensity. It also means Darden graduates are ready for anything and well prepared as they progress in their professional endeavors. Darden believes strongly in the case method of study, which involves daily, discussion-based learning in which students are active collaborators in their business education. As shared by a Darden representative, “The learning experience at Darden is spontaneous yet deliberate, which means you need to be ready when your professor calls on you to share your thoughts on a case.”

Particularly meaningful to the program is its strong foundation in principled behavior. Darden teaches the important connection between business and ethics. The goal of the teams is to help students experience diversity in all its forms, both professional and personal; they also learn to collaborate and share ideas.

Also appealing is that, as shared by a Darden representative, 100 percent of full-time MBA students receive a scholarship for a global course. Darden’s Dean Scott Beardsley believes that Darden is a school that can take someone from anywhere and help them go anywhere. The Batten Foundation Darden Worldwide Scholarship program sets Darden apart by covering the course fees for a global course for all students.

The highly selective VentureLab program at Darden is an exciting early-stage, summer incubator program that has been humming with startup ideas.

Culture

Both programs have a strong tight-knit student and alumni network. Anecdotally, Darden students are known to be immersed in heavier workload demands.  “With its small city location and case study method, the focus at Darden is going to be on the program and your classmates,” shared a former Darden Admissions Officer who works on the Stacy Blackman Consulting team.  Duke students are often stereotyped as having more fun because its program is more flexible. “Duke attracts quirky, fun and/or interesting students,” shared a former Duke Admissions Officer who works on the Stacy Blackman Consulting team.

Like Duke University as a whole, Fuqua is a largely team-based program that encourages community and fosters a collective spirit. The school looks for students who will inspire one another and positively impact their peers. Fuqua promotes and encourages social interaction, and intentionally seeks a diverse mix of students in terms of academic, cultural, and professional backgrounds. Unlike some programs that remain distinctly separate from their universities, the Fuqua student body is highly involved in campus activities. The Blue Devils’ history of athletic excellence creates an enjoyable pastime for Fuqua sports fans, and the wealth of involvement opportunities, both inside Fuqua and at the university as a whole, create opportunities for leadership and personal growth. Fuqua attracts highly intelligent and motivated students, so class competition is natural, especially under a “relative grading” system.

Sports and school spirit are similarly huge at UVA. Look forward to sell-out basketball games, many national championships across sports, and more. Darden boasts a community that is highly supportive and founded on teamwork and communication. The school holds a number of events to encourage respect, camaraderie and genuine friendships. One of the most popular traditions is First Coffee, where professors and students gather together in a common area after the first class of the day to grab a cup of coffee and socialize. It’s also a good time for announcements and occasional performances by Darden’s many student groups.

Darden stresses teamwork over competition. The practice is meant to develop collaboration as a necessary tool in the business world. This is evident in the creation of the diverse Learning Teams and in the large number of group projects. Prospective students will thrive in this kind of environment if they enjoy the fostering of community.

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Facilities

The Fuqua center moved to its present location on Duke University’s West Campus in 1983 and includes spacious classrooms and state-of-the-art technology. A 40,000-square-foot wing houses the bulk of the MBA program and includes six auditorium-style classrooms, six seminar rooms, 30 smaller group study rooms, and a large auditorium for school-wide events. The building contains faculty offices, a student lounge, computer laboratories, a cafe, and the Fuqua Library. The JB Duke Hotel, formerly called the Thomas Center, is sophisticated and modern, with additional classrooms and conference facilities, a dining room, and an exercise room.

As for the Duke campus, it is located in an urban area in central North Carolina, but contains more than 9,000 lush acres in the center of Durham. The campus has a number of parks and preserved natural areas, such as the Sarah P. Duke Gardens on West Campus and the miles of winding trails of nearby Duke Forest. Facilities near the Fuqua center include the Bryan Center, a campus hub where students meet to eat, check e-mail, socialize, and study.

The Darden Grounds are an especially poignant continuation of the classical environment of Thomas Jefferson’s original Academical Village. Financed completely from private donations, the complex uses native brick, countless balustrades and traditional roofing to provide an inspiring environment in which to learn. There are five interconnected buildings comprising 260,760 square feet, and a number of outdoors spaces surrounding them.

In addition to their physical beauty, the grounds offer multimedia classrooms, learning team rooms, upscale dining options and a state-of-the-art video production studio. There are more than 125,000 volumes, 1,100 periodicals, and 150 online databases in the Darden library, and students have access to thousands of business journals and daily newspapers.

In terms of housing, there are many apartments in Charlottesville within walking distance or a brief commute to the campus. There is limited on-campus housing for graduate students, both single and those with families. Those needing help finding accommodations can contact the Student Council’s Off-Grounds Housing Office, which will not only educate new students on housing options but also serve as an advocate between tenants and landlords.

Geography

Location-wise, Charlottesville (Darden) is considered to be more of a college town but it could feel in the middle of nowhere with tougher transportation access to some. Charlottesville is two hours from DC, one hour from Richmond and is a rapidly growing area of 200,000+ people.  As a Darden representative wrote, “Full-time MBA students are afforded the opportunity to take a break from the hustle of big city life while sacrificing none of the amenities. Students join a tight-knit community in a beautiful, natural environment as part of their education experience.” Durham, home to Duke University, is more bustling. Neither program are in a major city.

At Duke, the Triangle — including Durham, Raleigh, and Chapel Hill — has been rated an increasingly desirable area to live by a number of major publications. Home to 1.3 million people, it offers both urban living and natural beauty. The city of Durham has history dating back to the 1700s and still thrives today as a center of business and entertainment. Downtown Durham offers a number of recreational activities, lively nightlife, and top sports teams.

Durham offers affordable cost of living, and its growing economy suggests that it will continue to be an important city in the state. Because of its proximity to Duke and other universities, as well as its reputation as a major health care center, Durham continues to draw new business, and with it a variety of people. With a number of museums, galleries and restaurants, the city continues to flourish as an important cultural spot in the South.

Darden rests on the west side of downtown Charlottesville, which is located in central Virginia near the base of the Blue Ridge Mountains. The city is about 115 miles southwest from Washington, D.C. (roughly a two-hour drive), 261 miles from Philadelphia and about 347 miles from New York City. Charlottesville is known as the home of three early U.S. presidents: Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, and James Monroe. It has also been ranked one of the best places to live based on cost of living, climate, and quality of life.

Being in the heart of burgeoning America, Charlottesville is full of history and has played an important part in both the American Revolutionary War and the American Civil War. Most who come to Charlottesville visit Monticello, the ornate home of Thomas Jefferson, in addition to some nicely preserved colonial-era architecture. There is also a modern downtown mall that has a number of charming shops, galleries, movie theaters and restaurants.

Because of its large university influence, Charlottesville has a liberal leaning and a more youthful art and music scene than one might expect. A small stretch of shops, bookstores, cafes and the Charlottesville Downtown Mall are always bustling. There are free outdoor music festivals between April and October and a number of theater productions and art galleries both on campus and in the city. The slower pace of the city may not appeal to some, but is often a nice reprieve from the manic pace of an elite MBA program.

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Reprinted from Poetsandquants, 2021